[08:12:44] <thesprunk>  Gulivar: Hydrogen Enhanced, High Compression Combustion engine. I'm pairing up with a friend who's doing work on ways to extract hydrogen
[08:13:28] <gulivar>  This is going right over my head.
[08:13:33] <thesprunk>  Gulivar: :lol:
[08:13:45] <chris500>  God is pouring me with rain... wait that's no rain!!!
[08:13:55] <chris500>  *not
[08:14:18] <thesprunk>  Gulivar: To put it simply, the car will run off of hydrogen and gasoline (Granted, it'll be premium grade probably, but still can fill up at just about any gas station)
[08:14:43] <chris500>  wwelkrulez: It's... raining... Cheese!!!!!!!
[08:14:45] <gulivar>  TheSprunk: Sounds cool. :o
[08:14:46] <thesprunk>  Gulivar: And my friend is looking into ways to extract hydrogen from water
[08:14:57] <thesprunk>  Gulivar: or some other fuel
[08:15:31] <chris500>  TheSprunk: Why don't you use used cooking oil... I use it in my car all the time and it works fine.
[08:15:52] <thesprunk>  Chris500: Emissions isn't the concern here
[08:15:57] <thesprunk>  Chris500: Efficiency is
[08:16:08] <thesprunk>  Chris500: Cooking oil isnt near as efficient as Gasoline
[08:17:00] <chris500>  TheSprunk: Did you actually try it?! I didn't know there were other people who use cooking oil. ^^;
[08:17:13] <thesprunk>  Chris500: No.
[08:17:24] <chris500>  TheSprunk: Than.... how did you know?
[08:17:37] <thesprunk>  Chris500: It's called physics
[08:17:58] <thesprunk>  Chris500: Octane has a much higher energy per volumetric density than Cooking Oil
[08:18:12] <chris500>  TheSprunk: Works for me... but hydrogen is extremly dangerous to use in a car.
[08:18:27] <thesprunk>  Chris500: Safer than gasoline
[08:18:53] <chris500>  TheSprunk: That and the fact that hydrogen is way more expensive than gas.
[08:19:09] <thesprunk>  Chris500: Not necessarily
[08:19:54] <chris500>  TheSprunk: Well... if you intend to buy a canister of hydrogen... than yeah it's more expensive... but I assume you guys have a plan to do something about that?
[08:20:12] <chris500>  Kiersten-Chan: Hello!
[08:20:20] <thesprunk>  Chris500: Hydrogen is renewable and readily available. Using A) Plasma Regeneration, B) Genetically/Viral &quot;Programed&quot; Bacterium, or C) Solar enchanced Electrolysis (or D) extraction from hydrocarbons)
[08:20:43] <thesprunk>  Chris500: True, I'll give you that. I'm talking about extracting it on the fly though
[08:20:53] <thesprunk>  catluvr2: no
[08:21:33] <chris500>  TheSprunk: How do you intend to extract hydrogen from water or other sources?
[08:22:17] <chris500>  Kiersten-Chan: Welcome to the Deviant Art Official Chatroom. Please enjoy your stay. :)
[08:22:23] <thesprunk>  Chris500: Take distilled water, put some lye or some other electro-conductive catalyst, send a high charge of electricity through it, and it seperates the water into hydrogen and Oxygen
[08:23:00] <chris500>  TheSprunk: You paid attention in science class... didn't you?
[08:23:04] <thesprunk>  Chris500: Generally, the Electricity in (which has to come from an external source) is roughly equivalent to Electricity out from the harvested Hydrogen and Oxygen
[08:23:07] <thesprunk>  Chris500: Yes
[08:23:15] <thesprunk>  Chris500: I've taught a few actually
[08:23:31] <gulivar>  :bucktooth:
[08:23:33] <chris500>  TheSprunk: Good job. Any other plans to replace gas?
[08:23:40] <gulivar>  I need a coffee.
[08:23:56] <gulivar>  :drool:
[08:24:15] <gulivar>  Yes.
[08:24:24] <thesprunk>  Chris500: Generally speaking though, Power from the electric grid is much more stable than power from the pump. Although depending on your area and what and the price of gas, it can be more or less expensive
[08:24:27] <gulivar>  I'm too lazy to actually make osome. :
[08:24:34] <gulivar>  XvamyX: Sure. :aww:
[08:24:38] <chris500>  TheSprunk: True true.
[08:24:42] <thesprunk>  Chris500: Replace gas? You could do it, but thats beyond the scope of my project
[08:24:42] <gulivar>  *some.
[08:24:54] <gulivar>  I think I'll wheel my chair to the kitchen...
[08:25:27] <chris500>  TheSprunk: Okay. What do you for a living? Make car engines or something?
[08:25:30] <thesprunk>  Chris500: But if you suppliment the power used to extract hydrogen and oxygen from water with solar (a &quot;Free&quot; energy so to speak) you can significantly reduce costs
[08:25:33] <gulivar>  wwelkrulez: :#1:
[08:25:35] <thesprunk>  Chris500: I'm a student
[08:25:46] <thesprunk>  Chris500: And I design/program websites
[08:25:50] <chris500>  TheSprunk: Wow... your future is looking bright.
[08:25:58] <thesprunk>  Chris500: thank you :)
[08:26:15] <chris500>  TheSprunk: What websites are you working on?
[08:26:38] <thesprunk>  Chris500: none at the moment
[08:26:51] <thesprunk>  Chris500: I work freelance, and havent done any work for a while :thumb50293148:
[08:27:05] <thesprunk>  Chris500: Finals and a lot of stuff going on
[08:27:13] <chris500>  TheSprunk: Sounds tough.
[08:27:21] <thesprunk>  Chris500: but after next week I plan on picking it up again as its winter break
[08:27:38] <thesprunk>  Chris500: Yeah, the economic slumps hitting kinda hard. There's not as many people looking for work
[08:27:43] <chris500>  TheSprunk: Good for you. I'm still in the middle of my Spohmore year.^^;
[08:27:51] <chris500>  *sophmore
[08:28:10] <thesprunk>  Chris500: I'm trying to transition from building websites to developing applications and what not for hand helds and similar embedded systems.
[08:28:32] <thesprunk>  Chris500: So I've been spending my time learning what's necessary for that
[08:28:49] <chris500>  TheSprunk: That's gonna take quite a bit of time.
[08:29:34] <chris500>  TheSprunk: I've been spening my free time practicing voice acting.
[08:29:36] <thesprunk>  Chris500: Everything does. More work i put into mastering the craft now, the more time i can spend being the master later :P
[08:29:52] <chris500>  TheSprunk: So true.
[08:30:25] <thesprunk>  Chris500: voice acting? how long you been doing that?
[08:30:45] <chris500>  TheSprunk: Ever since I could talk and wathc cartoons. ^^;
[08:30:50] <thesprunk>  Chris500: :lol:
[08:31:31] <chris500>  TheSprunk: I always loved to impersonate my favourite cartoon characters,
[08:31:33] <thesprunk>  Chris500: I don't know about animated movies or shorts or what not, but i know the &quot;3rd party gaming industry&quot; can always use more talented voice actors
[08:31:50] <gulivar>  Lulz.
[08:31:50] <chris500>  TheSprunk: Proof of that is Sonic The Hedgehog. ^^;
[08:31:56] <thesprunk>  They say there's a lot out there. but whenever a project comes time to get some, they never seem to be around
[08:32:51] <thesprunk>  Chris500: I've been on a few projects like that. Someones building a mod or extension for a game, needs people to do voice acting or something, but they always have trouble finding people willing to do it
[08:33:00] <chris500>  catluvr2: I know... I was typing fast. :D
[08:33:28] <chris500>  TheSprunk: I wish I could help... but I don't have a mike... nor can I afford one. ^^;
[08:33:53] <thesprunk>  Chris500: Well im not working on anything at the moment. I havent had time to be a part of any of that :(
[08:34:01] <thesprunk>  Chris500: I was just saying, in general :P
[08:34:07] <thesprunk>  mike?
[08:34:08] <thesprunk>  :lol:
[08:34:10] <thesprunk>  mic*
[08:34:11] <chris500>  TheSprunk: Okay.
[08:34:19] <thesprunk>  bloodXpig: :thumb70626905:
[08:34:45] <gulivar>  Amita-Eppes: Toodles.
[08:34:53] <thesprunk>  Amita-Eppes: :thumb98923628:
[08:35:06] <thesprunk>  bloodXpig: so do eet :noes:
[08:36:11] <chris500>  bloodXpig: Sounds like me on a Saturday.
[08:36:30] <chris500>  bloodXpig: Yeah.
[08:37:32] <chris500>  I have to go now.
[08:38:43] <gulivar>  didjerama: :smooch:
[08:39:06] <gulivar>  didjerama: Great, you?
[08:39:32] <gulivar>  didjerama: Ouch.
[08:40:12] <gulivar>  didjerama: :nod:
[08:43:09] <gulivar>  didjerama: yea.
[08:43:47] <thesprunk>  sneakz&lt;abbr title=&quot;sneakysnickerz&quot;&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;: :thumb70626905:
[08:44:21] <thesprunk>  sneakysnickerz: Going home today? :(
[08:44:27] <gulivar>  didjerama: How's that going?
[08:45:17] <gulivar>  didjerama: That's really good. :o
[08:45:19] <thesprunk>  sneakz&lt;abbr title=&quot;sneakysnickerz&quot;&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;: Too long :o
[08:45:34] <thesprunk>  sneakz&lt;abbr title=&quot;sneakysnickerz&quot;&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;: :lol:
[08:46:02] <thesprunk>  sneakz&lt;abbr title=&quot;sneakysnickerz&quot;&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;: When we'd go on vacation as a little kid my parents never understood why i still spent like 6-10 hours a day playing video games
[08:46:14] <thesprunk>  sneakz&lt;abbr title=&quot;sneakysnickerz&quot;&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;: Use a rusty spoon :#1:
[08:46:17] <gulivar>  didjerama: :aww:
[08:47:26] <thesprunk>  sneakz&lt;abbr title=&quot;sneakysnickerz&quot;&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;: Despite going a lot of cool places, my parents were rather lame ducks. I mean, they're cool people, but they never did anything interesting. Just shop, and eat, and go look at the scenery. I mean I'm all for eating but the rest :no:
[08:47:38] <gulivar>  Hm.
[08:48:31] <thesprunk>  sneakz&lt;abbr title=&quot;sneakysnickerz&quot;&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;: I wanted to skii, or snowboard, or go camping, or be able to explore on my own, but no :roll: &quot;you're too young&quot; :no: then when i was old enough to go out on my own we stopped going places :crying:
[08:49:53] <thesprunk>  sneakz&lt;abbr title=&quot;sneakysnickerz&quot;&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;: That's probably why im such a nerd. I don't have anyting to do here but study :(
[08:50:37] <thesprunk>  sneakz&lt;abbr title=&quot;sneakysnickerz&quot;&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;: Oh i game a lot
[08:50:45] <thesprunk>  catluvr2: :confused: wut :slow:
[08:51:11] <thesprunk>  sneakz&lt;abbr title=&quot;sneakysnickerz&quot;&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;: i was just saying, this town doesnt have any attractions :thumb50293148:
[08:51:18] <thesprunk>  catluvr2: yeah. It sucked
[08:51:51] <thesprunk>  catluvr2, First place I went when I was &quot;old enough&quot; was MIT too :giggle:
[08:51:58] <thesprunk>  catluvr2: which one? dAmn?
[08:51:59] <thesprunk>  :P
[08:52:10] <thesprunk>  catluvr2: Xerces is the final boss isnt she :thumb37300831:
[08:52:31] <thesprunk>  EmperorDinobot: :thumb71580244:
[08:53:08] <thesprunk>  catluvr2: Chix0r's such a lurker :paranoid:
[08:53:25] <thesprunk>  catluvr2: :lol:
[08:54:47] <thesprunk>  catluvr2: :lol:
[08:54:53] <thesprunk>  catluvr2: So. wait
[08:54:54] <thesprunk>  wait a minute
[08:55:14] <thesprunk>  That's what ACTUALLY happened to lolly then :thumb37300831:
[08:55:26] <thesprunk>  catluvr2: I dont think ive ever played it
[08:55:45] <thesprunk>  catluvr2: Sounds like an epic game :paranoid:
[08:56:28] <thesprunk>  catluvr2: she was in tachy-on's current position?
[08:57:09] <thesprunk>  catluvr2: Oh, I thought she was just prints manager at the time
[08:57:31] <gulivar>  &amp;dev		lolly	 :o
[08:57:34] <gulivar>  Wtf.
[08:57:42] <thesprunk>  Gulivar: &amp;dev		lolly
[08:57:56] <thesprunk>  catluvr2: the lolly fix?
[08:58:01] <thesprunk>  where i haz?
[08:58:07] <thesprunk>  :paranoid:
[08:58:19] <thesprunk>  catluvr2: yep
[08:58:19] <gulivar>  http://lolly.deviantart.com (&oslash;lolly)
[08:58:21] <gulivar>  :o
[08:58:27] <gulivar>  &oslash;http://lolly.deviantart.com (lolly)
[08:58:28] <gulivar>  D:
[08:58:30] <gulivar>  Well then.
[08:58:35] <thesprunk>  Gulivar: Howdidjoodothat :thumb37300831:
[08:58:38] <gulivar>  I've got to get me this fix.
[08:58:56] <thesprunk>  Oh noes :noes: Gulivar needs her fix!
[08:59:05] <thesprunk>  Gulivar: her, right :paranoid:
[08:59:16] <thesprunk>  :noes: magmanorn was here? :crying:
[08:59:26] <thesprunk>  YumYumMan: :thumb70626905:
[09:00:08] <thesprunk>  nope
[09:00:34] <thesprunk>  catluvr2: yesh please :aww:
[09:00:40] <thesprunk>  catluvr2: or did you alraedy :o
[09:00:42] <thesprunk>  catluvr2: ok
[09:00:55] <gulivar>  catluvr2: :eyes:
[09:01:17] <gulivar>  TheSprunk: Yea. I need my fix of caffeine alright. :lol:
[09:01:20] <thesprunk>  the message center notification at the top of the page isnt ajaxified is it? you gotta refresh the page for it to update huh?
[09:01:24] <thesprunk>  Gulivar: :P
[09:01:31] <thesprunk>  YumYumMan: I'm quite content here
[09:01:54] <thesprunk>  YumYumMan: You shouldn't advertise chat rooms in here anyway, against the rules
[09:04:41] <thesprunk>  :thumb52591874: ?
[09:04:47] <thesprunk>  wwelkrulez: :thumb71580244:
[09:05:09] <thesprunk>  kamizuki: :thumb16781664:
[09:06:09] <gulivar>  :o
[09:06:57] <gulivar>  Koeryn: :love:
[09:07:24] <thesprunk>  xXTroublesomeGirlxX: :glomp:
[09:07:29] <thesprunk>  Koeryn: :thumb32937294:
[09:07:40] <thesprunk>  right as the caht was dying :lol:
[09:07:59] <thesprunk>  xXTroublesomeGirlxX: nothing. There was 2minutes there were no one even left or joined, much less talked lol
[09:08:13] <thesprunk>  Koeryn: Eh, car broke down, looking for a new car.
[09:08:18] <thesprunk>  icey-net: :thumb70626905:
[09:08:24] <thesprunk>  xXTroublesomeGirlxX: I do my best :P
[09:08:40] <thesprunk>  Koeryn: Oooh what kind
[09:08:56] <thesprunk>  New cars are always awesome, even if you're not a car fanatic
[09:09:14] <thesprunk>  Well. Unless you end up going from like a Ferrari to a Pinto
[09:09:19] <thesprunk>  Koeryn: Nice
[09:09:36] <thesprunk>  Koeryn: :lol:
[09:09:45] <thesprunk>  Koeryn: I've met a few who do actually :no:
[09:10:22] <thesprunk>  being a big car enthusiast i dont think i've ever come so close to making the :o face as i did when they said that :lol:
[09:10:22] <gulivar>  Cars are evil.
[09:10:28] <thesprunk>  Gulivar: :noes:
[09:10:32] <thesprunk>  Gulivar: :thumb44233816:
[09:10:50] <thesprunk>  Koeryn: what'd you throw at it?
[09:11:02] <thesprunk>  Koeryn: Nioce!
[09:11:26] <thesprunk>  Koeryn: My parents forced my current car on me
[09:11:46] <thesprunk>  Koeryn: &quot;Its a great car, we know the history, it's honda so it'll last forever&quot; and it was pretty much plagued with problems from day one
[09:11:51] <thesprunk>  Koeryn: Honda Accord, 92
[09:11:56] <gulivar>  Lol.
[09:12:42] <thesprunk>  Koeryn: I objected to it like none other, cause the agreement was They'll throw in 1,000, pay tags, title, and first month insurance on it if I paid for the rest.
[09:12:46] <thesprunk>  Koeryn: damn
[09:13:07] <thesprunk>  Koeryn: the car was worth 4,500 mint condition, and they charged us 5,000
[09:13:11] <thesprunk>  Koeryn: :lol:
[09:14:07] <thesprunk>  Koeryn: They somehow thought that entitled them to choose the car i was going to get, even the car I intended on getting I could have paid for entirely without they're help :no: It was a big fight. They tried to kick me out.
[09:15:03] <thesprunk>  Koeryn: Yeah it is
[09:15:55] <thesprunk>  Koeryn: my gramma stepped in and just bought the honda to &quot;settle&quot; the issue. And I very well couldn't complain about a free car, despite still strongly objecting to it. BTW it spent its first 3 months i had it, in the shop
[09:16:27] <thesprunk>  Koeryn: Shitty deal
[09:16:52] <thesprunk>  Koeryn: luckily those first 3 months were under a used car warranty since we got it from a dealer
[09:17:39] <thesprunk>  Koeryn: so that was free. but it consistantly ran hot, even after the repairs. and i tried to tellt hem its running too hot, and so instead of fixing the problem, the adjusted the temp gauge :roll:
[09:17:50] <thesprunk>  mycophilic: :thumb70626905:
[09:18:27] <thesprunk>  Koeryn: So i said fuck it, and just took care of it best i could since i couldnt do anything about it as by then all my money had been sunk into college and other things
[09:18:31] <thesprunk>  Koeryn: :lol:
[09:18:53] <thesprunk>  whoa :o
[09:19:03] <thesprunk>  It still feels like a month off
[09:19:15] <thesprunk>  mycophilic: really? :lol:
[09:19:26] <sine-out>  Koeryn: hey there :bucktooth:
[09:19:54] <sine-out>  Koeryn: eh, creative block, you?
[09:19:59] <thesprunk>  Koeryn: but yeah, the car overheated, heads warped (I'm assuming, dont know for sure) and I can either A) pay for a new engine and labor to get it replaced, or B) Get a new car
[09:20:10] <thesprunk>  mycophilic: I want to learn german :P
[09:20:31] <sine-out>  their brakes do
[09:20:32] <thesprunk>  poop-fist: in this town? I'd be lucky if i didnt freeze
[09:21:01] <thesprunk>  DaPineapple: My car overheated when it was -10C outside
[09:21:05] <sine-out>  DaPineapple: I think poop-fist was referencing bicycles, not motorbikes :bucktooth:
[09:21:07] <thesprunk>  poop-fist: yeah, US
[09:21:28] <sine-out>  DaPineapple: lol, good point
[09:21:46] <sine-out>  poop-fist: I do, but not when it's icy or snowy
[09:22:03] <thesprunk>  poop-fist: I'll pass. I've nothing against riding bikes, quite enjoy it actually. But 12 miles to and from university in this weather is not something I'm going to do. And public transportation isnt much of an option either.
[09:22:10] <sine-out>  I ride over 8 miles a day for work
[09:22:14] <thesprunk>  poop-fist: 2km is like down the street
[09:22:33] <thesprunk>  sine-out: I'd be riding 24 miles a day if i did that.
[09:22:52] <thesprunk>  ROSH10101: :thumb70626905:
[09:22:56] <sine-out>  poop-fist: 2km is just over a mile, it'd be easier to just walk it
[09:22:58] <rosh10101>  TheSprunk: :d
[09:23:04] <sine-out>  safer too, most probably
[09:23:29] <rosh10101>  wassap
[09:23:34] <thesprunk>  sine-out: Yeah, I'll give this place that. There's about as many bike paths as there are streets, and no they aren't just widened shoulders that say &quot;bike&quot; on them either lol
[09:23:37] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: yeah, I would never cycle that far :bucktooth:
[09:23:53] <sine-out>  polarknight08: :bucktooth:
[09:24:11] <thesprunk>  what?
[09:24:27] <rosh10101>  polarknight08: :D
[09:24:54] <sine-out>  poop-fist: they're imperial measurements, popular back in the 'old days', England has gone metric, but we still haven't gotten around to using kilometres to denote distance, I don't mind either way, it's pretty easy to convert between the two
[09:25:16] <thesprunk>  sine-out: I've done it before, rode my bike to school. When gas was 3.89 here
[09:25:47] <thesprunk>  poop-fist: 1 mile is 1.6km
[09:25:54] <thesprunk>  so 2km is like 1.2miles
[09:25:55] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: and yeah, a lot of our bike paths are actually just parts of roads that have been painted over and had 'bike' written on them :bucktooth:
[09:26:26] <sine-out>  Kasperny: BB code doesn't work on this site
[09:26:46] <sine-out>  and who'd want that hideous bastardisation of HTML anyway?
[09:27:03] <thesprunk>  sine-out: I can only think of one path that merges with a road here, and it's only for a few blocks before splitting off again. We actually have a lot of nice bike paths here. They go through some nice parks and along creeks and rivers and stuff, pretty neat
[09:27:36] <thesprunk>  sine-out: there's actually a few bike paths here that dont intersect with any main streets, they all have bridges going over them or something
[09:27:52] <thesprunk>  sine-out: I never understood BB code
[09:28:09] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: America is fortunate in that Road planning for the future is possible, most of the roads in most of the older cities in England were laid out before the Car or Bike were even invented :bucktooth:
[09:28:16] <thesprunk>  sine-out: yeah
[09:28:33] <rosh10101>  polarknight08: wassa
[09:28:42] <thesprunk>  poop-fist: :lol:
[09:29:11] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: BB code is basically HTML with square parenthesis instead of &amp;lt; and &amp;gt;
[09:29:12] <thesprunk>  I think BB code came before HTML though didnt it :confused: cause that was way back in the BBC days
[09:29:28] <thesprunk>  sine-out: :lol: I know how to use it, i just mean, it seems pointless
[09:29:54] <thesprunk>  polarknight08: Our city throws <i> a lot&lt;/i&gt; of money at things like that though.
[09:29:59] <thesprunk>  poop-fist: BBC boards
[09:30:07] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: HTML was around then, BB code was invented because it can't break websites, it's not HTML so anyone trying to be sneaky with it, can't, at least not unless the person making the forms was smart about it
[09:30:08] <thesprunk>  poop-fist: early internet
[09:30:24] <thesprunk>  Kasperny: One of the best :D
[09:30:42] <thesprunk>  sine-out: that makes since
[09:30:47] <thesprunk>  ThunderBoob&lt;abbr title=&quot;ThunderCog&quot;&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;: :thumb105860637:
[09:31:06] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: also, if my memory serves, BBS boards didn't have much in the way of visual formatting, since they consisted of monospace type fonts and addressed the screen on a character by line basis, not a pixel level basis
[09:31:16] <thesprunk>  BBS! thats right
[09:31:22] <thesprunk>  I know BBC didnt sound right :lol:
[09:31:30] <thesprunk>  ThunderBoob&lt;abbr title=&quot;ThunderCog&quot;&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;: :thumb56323318:
[09:31:48] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: BBC computers most likely were able to access BBS's :bucktooth:
[09:31:56] <thesprunk>  sine-out: true
[09:32:15] <sine-out>  Kasperny: you could, but that user won't have the message highlighted like this one is for you
[09:32:17] <thesprunk>  ThunderBoob&lt;abbr title=&quot;ThunderCog&quot;&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;: :giggle: how goes it?
[09:32:30] <thesprunk>  sine-out: I think Kasperny means the tab feature
[09:32:44] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: that is what I was referring to :bucktooth:
[09:32:57] <thesprunk>  :confused:
[09:33:21] <thesprunk>  ThunderBoob&lt;abbr title=&quot;ThunderCog&quot;&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;: You know how to get around that? :D
[09:33:41] <thesprunk>  ThunderBoob&lt;abbr title=&quot;ThunderCog&quot;&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;: Yep :P
[09:33:52] <thesprunk>  ThunderBoob&lt;abbr title=&quot;ThunderCog&quot;&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;: I'm not gonna tell you how in a public chat room though :lol:
[09:34:08] <sine-out>  I do to :bucktooth:
[09:34:14] <sine-out>  it's actually painfully easy :bucktooth:
[09:34:23] <thesprunk>  then again, I dislike most things nintendo or nintendo oriented
[09:34:33] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: Sonic is Sega :bucktooth:
[09:35:15] <thesprunk>  sine-out: True, I pretty much role all of that into nintendo though. If it's not sony, its nintendo, or pre-nintendo. or xbox if we're talking more recent
[09:35:41] <thesprunk>  sine-out: That's the way i think about it anyway. The game styles are pretty similar
[09:36:04] <thesprunk>  there's porn of everything
[09:36:16] <thesprunk>  :thumb42019231: is so kyoot
[09:36:28] <thesprunk>  Too bad i rarely get a chance to use it :(
[09:37:00] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: while a lot of Sega games are being released on Nintendo consoles, it doesn't make them Nintendo, Sonic has been around since the 16bit console days, and has been around all the way up to the Dreamcast, Sonic and Mario are entirely different game styles, while the basic premise of being a platformer is the same, the way they go about it is very different
[09:37:17] <sine-out>  Kasperny: <b> FAQ #106:&lt;/b&gt; [Link:http://help.deviantart.com/106/ ( What are the symbols in front of each deviants nickname?)]
[09:37:37] <thesprunk>  sine-out: True, I'm well aware that technically they're very different, but I don't like platformers (generally)
[09:38:06] <thesprunk>  sine-out: that's just how i group things in my mind :lol: I don't care much for old games anyway.
[09:38:24] <thesprunk>  sine-out: I'm more of an online gamer.
[09:38:25] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: I still play Super Mario World :bucktooth:
[09:38:41] <thesprunk>  sine-out: PC and Playstation were the only things I played until just a few years ago to be honest
[09:38:55] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: then again, I am very much a single player person, on account of me being quite shit at most games :bucktooth:
[09:39:14] <thesprunk>  Games like Tribes 2 and CS:S :thumb37300831:
[09:39:18] <thesprunk>  ThunderBoob&lt;abbr title=&quot;ThunderCog&quot;&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;: Spyro was fun
[09:39:25] <thesprunk>  ThunderBoob&lt;abbr title=&quot;ThunderCog&quot;&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;: I've only played the original one
[09:39:35] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: see, I can't stand Counter Strike :bucktooth:
[09:39:39] <thesprunk>  CS2-Sasuke-XD: I'm not playing them right this very second
[09:40:04] <thesprunk>  sine-out: Eh. I'm not an addict like a lot of people you find on there. I fire it up from time to time though, just for the shits and giggles
[09:40:50] <thesprunk>  CS2-Sasuke-XD: Well Tribes 2 has pretty much died out considering there's new versions (Vengeance, horribly game) and then 2 new ones in the works (Rise mod for Crysis and ... I forget what the other is)
[09:40:57] <thesprunk>  I play 360 a lot
[09:41:00] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: it's just not fun for me to play, which is one of the reasons why I play in the first place (a good story helps too), most Online Multiplayer games just sap the fun out of it because I am just not good enough to have fun
[09:41:11] <thesprunk>  sine-out: :lol:
[09:41:34] <thesprunk>  sine-out: Are you aware of what Tribes 1 or 2 is?
[09:41:39] <thesprunk>  sine-out: I was amazing that game
[09:42:01] <thesprunk>  CS2-Sasuke-XD: :lol:
[09:42:11] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: to be honest, not really, the only game I was really 'amazing' at, was Super Mario World :bucktooth:
[09:42:22] <thesprunk>  CS2-Sasuke-XD: Gears of war 1 and 2, Fallout 3, Left 4 Dead, Dead Space (Great single player game)
[09:42:26] <thesprunk>  sine-out: :lol:
[09:42:42] <thesprunk>  sine-out: Tribes was the first game really based solely on online play.
[09:42:56] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: oh, then definitely not :bucktooth:
[09:43:12] <thesprunk>  sine-out: up to 64 people could join any one room, and play matches of varying types (Cap the flag, deathmatch and a bunch more).
[09:43:45] <magmanorn>  I finlly got back in
[09:43:45] <thesprunk>  sine-out: And eventually &quot;Tribes&quot; formed, a bunch of the same players teaming up, and fighting tournaments against other Tribes.
[09:43:50] <magmanorn>  FINalLY
[09:43:53] <thesprunk>  Koeryn: I wasnt either, but i still enjoyed it
[09:43:56] <thesprunk>  magmanorn: :hump:
[09:43:57] <magmanorn>  I'm so harrassed I can't type properly
[09:44:02] <thesprunk>  magmanorn: :lol:
[09:44:17] <magmanorn>  Which is ironic since my previous sentence is almost perfect
[09:44:21] <thesprunk>  Koeryn: Yeah the story rocks
[09:44:29] <thesprunk>  Koeryn: Landfall? :confused:
[09:45:14] <thesprunk>  CS2-Sasuke-XD: I love multiplayers, but Halo is too generic for my tastes.
[09:45:32] <thesprunk>  CS2-Sasuke-XD: I prefer Gears of war 2 to Halo 3, solo or online
[09:46:46] <thesprunk>  sine-out: I was a Tribe &quot;XO&quot;, or Tribe Leader, and our tribe would consistantly rank in the top 5 out of about 1000 on the most popular ladders. We were ridiculous :no:
[09:46:51] <thesprunk>  I miss those days :(
[09:47:10] <sine-out>  `ping
[09:47:15] <thesprunk>  :lmao:
[09:47:24] <thesprunk>  Mr--Jemima: MMO-FPS days
[09:47:42] <magmanorn>  Mr--Jemima: That I do, Mr. That I do. :thumb59055957:
[09:48:10] <thesprunk>  CS2-Sasuke-XD: as do i, but this is a boring as town. We're better off chilling at someones place and gaming and having a blast just shootin the shit than going out on the town and trying to keep ourselves entertained
[09:48:23] <thesprunk>  ass*
[09:48:28] <thesprunk>  magmanorn: :thumb59055957:
[09:49:22] <thesprunk>  CS2-Sasuke-XD: I live in Kansas, it's a miracle if anything happens at all
[09:49:25] <sine-out>  sate or die, eh?
[09:49:44] <thesprunk>  agh. Shit. This monitor is about to die :(
[09:49:56] <sine-out>   Mr--Jemima, Please do not ask or share age information with other users, as this is deemed inappropriate in #devart. You will be removed from the channel if you attempt to obtain such information in any way at all. [Link:http://news.deviantart.com/article/20515/ ((Why?))]
[09:50:12] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: what's it doing to make you think that?
[09:50:51] <thesprunk>  sine-out: It's flickering a lot. Turning off and turning back on. Degaus didnt help, and sometimes it resizes itself.
[09:51:06] <sine-out>  CS2-Sasuke-XD: if upholding the rules is considered being holier than thou, then so be it
[09:51:08] <thesprunk>  sine-out: so its not a CRT :( thats an easy fix
[09:51:21] <thesprunk>  sine-out: the CRT tubes themselves, its a CRT monitor
[09:51:27] <thesprunk>  Kasperny: nope
[09:51:39] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: wait, so it is and it isn't a CRT?
[09:51:56] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: is it a Field Emissions Display?
[09:52:00] <sine-out>  :bucktooth:
[09:52:04] <thesprunk>  sine-out: Yeah :lol: the Cathode Ray Tubes themselves aren't failing, but its a CRT monitor
[09:52:48] <thesprunk>  I never really skate boarded
[09:52:58] <thesprunk>  I roller bladed a lot as a kid, but not so much anymore
[09:53:04] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: if you're still getting a picture, then it makes sense that the Cathodes are working fine, most likely, if it's flickering, it's the magnetics that bend the electron beams are borked, you could try degaussing your screen, but that probably won't do anything
[09:53:14] <thesprunk>  sine-out: Yeah.
[09:53:36] <sine-out>  CS2-Sasuke-XD: :#1: another victim :bucktooth:
[09:53:51] <thesprunk>  sine-out: At this point, if it dies, I'll probably be better off buying a new one. I'll google just to make sure its not some $10 part, but i have a spare monitor anyway so no biggie
[09:54:39] <thesprunk>  sine-out: I have 3 monitors, 2 CRT's and a LCD, I've got one of each running in dualscreen and the other CRT's in my closet
[09:54:51] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: it's probably a good thing anyway, CRT's draw a lot of power, and, unless you're made of money, getting an LCD would be a good replacement, if not for the fact that they use a tiny amount of power in comparison
[09:55:09] <thesprunk>  sine-out: I'm not too concerned with power draw to be honest
[09:55:19] <thesprunk>  sine-out: Not with monitors, considering my current electronics set up
[09:55:35] <thesprunk>  Koeryn: I have a 24&quot; 1080P LCD
[09:55:45] <thesprunk>  poop-fist: :lol:
[09:55:59] <thesprunk>  Koeryn: I got it for $275 :thumb59055957: brand new
[09:56:13] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: I'm always concerned about it, every time I make a short list of displays to upgrade to, power draw is one of my concerns, what with electricity being so expensive, it's hard not to make it a factor
[09:56:27] <thesprunk>  Koeryn: I mean, it is a TN-TFT :thumb50293148: but personally I like those better than the MVA/PVA's, and can't afford an S-IPS screen
[09:56:51] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: they're better for fast action, but not for colour accuracy
[09:57:01] <rosh10101>  TheSprunk: lol again with the lcd talk :D
[09:57:02] <thesprunk>  sine-out: I dont pay the electricity bill here
[09:57:06] <thesprunk>  ROSH10101: Yep :P
[09:57:21] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: I do, or at least a considerable chunk of it
[09:57:43] <thesprunk>  OpalMist: What?
[09:57:53] <thesprunk>  mycophilic: :thumb71580244:
[09:57:55] <rosh10101>  TheSprunk: i think 2408 wfp from dell is an mva panel
[09:58:34] <thesprunk>  sine-out: True enough, but the lower end MVA's/PVA's often have too high of a response time, which often results in ghosting, and you're better off getting an S-IPS if you're going to fork out the cache for a low response MVA/PVA
[09:58:43] <thesprunk>  :lol: cache, cash*
[09:58:52] <thesprunk>  OpalMist: oh :lol:
[09:59:08] <thesprunk>  OpalMist: :P yeah, would be an interesting toy
[09:59:12] <thesprunk>  magmanorn: :poke:
[09:59:28] <rosh10101>  TheSprunk: nothing still beats good old fashioned crt :D
[09:59:34] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: I think you misunderstood, TN panels are good for fast action, but not colour accuracy, MVA/PVA are good for colour accuracy, but not fast action, and IPS try to strike a balance between the two
[09:59:39] <magmanorn>  TheSprunk: I'm busy loading things into my phone
[09:59:43] <thesprunk>  ROSH10101: Unless its dying, or if you're concerned about power draw like sine-out
[10:00:02] <magmanorn>  TheSprunk: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; It will be a computerless 3 weeks for me and I need something to listen to
[10:00:20] <thesprunk>  sine-out: I understand perfectly well, but there's still response time ranges for MVA/PVA's (and the other TFT's as well)
[10:00:50] <rosh10101>  TheSprunk: still its safe to keep crt screens safely tucked for special reasons
[10:00:55] <thesprunk>  sine-out: If you're going to fork over the money for a low response MVA/PVA you may as well just get the S-IPS, it's a better compromise for a similar price. <i> IF&lt;/i&gt; you can find one
[10:00:56] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: I'm not really concerned about their power draw, since there isn't a CRT in my house at all, I was just pointing out that if I did have a CRT, then I would be concerned :bucktooth:
[10:01:09] <thesprunk>  sine-out: Yeah, thats i meant :lol:
[10:01:16] <rosh10101>  TheSprunk: Benq make awesome screens though
[10:01:32] <thesprunk>  ROSH10101: Never had a Benq, I hear Hanns-G rocks
[10:01:46] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: I know you understood that, what I was saying you may have misunderstood was what I was referencing when I said &quot;13:55:38 &amp;lt;sine-out&amp;gt; TheSprunk: they're better for fast action, but not for colour accuracy&quot;
[10:02:15] <thesprunk>  sine-out: I thought i did, now i'm wondering if i didnt :confused:
[10:02:16] <thesprunk>  :lol:
[10:02:22] <rosh10101>  TheSprunk: Someone here made a work log to converted a10 inch chinese screen into a DIY projector
[10:02:31] <thesprunk>  ROSH10101: :o
[10:02:53] <thesprunk>  ROSH10101: Projector as in, across the room onto a wall projector, or like those DLP Projectors?
[10:02:54] <rosh10101>  TheSprunk: apparently- some of those 10 inch chinese screens have a toshiba panel :D
[10:02:57] <thesprunk>  displays*
[10:03:00] <rosh10101>  TheSprunk: yeah
[10:03:03] <thesprunk>  chix0r: :thumb70626905:
[10:03:23] <thesprunk>  brb, need fluids
[10:03:27] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: it can be done, though, you may as well not do it, since you end up with a box that's like, 2x2x3 feet in size :bucktooth:
[10:03:32] <sine-out>  JoyJoyfulTheRabbit: herro :bucktooth:
[10:03:34] <rosh10101>  TheSprunk: that's some serious DIY :d
[10:04:10] <thesprunk>  sine-out: yeah lol
[10:04:14] <magmanorn>  I'm baack!
[10:04:15] <thesprunk>  ROSH10101: Indeed
[10:04:19] <thesprunk>  magmanorn: :thumb55343223:
[10:04:35] <rosh10101>  TheSprunk: the DIY projector itself consumes 400w. But he was able to up the efficiency of a broken down psu by using his own parts
[10:04:47] <thesprunk>  sine-out: I have the LCD for general purposes. I still use the CRT for designing things as both are high grade Viewsonic displays
[10:04:58] <thesprunk>  ROSH10101: interesting :o
[10:05:01] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: plus, the image quality is questionable at best, since you have to focus the projection through a fresnel lens, which doesn't lend itself well to high optical quality :bucktooth:
[10:05:19] <thesprunk>  sine-out: Yeah
[10:05:30] <rosh10101>  TheSprunk: he got it upto 20 amps on 80% efficiency rate. But he wants to be beat vx450's amps on single rail. He claims he can get upto 40 amps on +12v rails.
[10:05:46] <thesprunk>  ROSH10101: That'll be interesting to see :o
[10:05:55] <thesprunk>  ROSH10101: I'll bet he fries something :P
[10:06:11] <rosh10101>  TheSprunk: never heard anyone getting it right the first time
[10:06:18] <thesprunk>  ROSH10101: True
[10:06:34] <rosh10101>  TheSprunk: but even if he gets atleast 30 amps on a DIY its a worthy thing to do.
[10:06:56] <thesprunk>  sine-out: Actually, what is the cost of electricity per KW/h these days?
[10:07:06] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: http://revision3.com/systm/projector/ that's for the projector :bucktooth:
[10:07:11] <thesprunk>  ROSH10101: Yeah, 30's pretty respectable
[10:07:21] <thesprunk>  ThunderBoob&lt;abbr title=&quot;ThunderCog&quot;&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;: :o
[10:07:31] <thesprunk>  ThunderBoob&lt;abbr title=&quot;ThunderCog&quot;&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;: You're never touching my ibanez or drums then
[10:07:32] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: and I don't know, naturally the cost varies depending on Geographical location :bucktooth:
[10:08:07] <rosh10101>  TheSprunk: but no manufacturer would use the most top end components as it wont be feasible. Maybe its possible if he gets it right.
[10:08:12] <thesprunk>  sine-out: I think ours is pretty cheap. Dunno though
[10:08:59] <rosh10101>  TheSprunk: psu is still unfortunatly most understated component peope buy when they assemble their rig
[10:09:40] <thesprunk>  sine-out: It's funny. I make my money working in the web development industry, currently working on focusing my skills on embedded systems like phones and MID's ... and yet i know far more about cars and mechanics :P
[10:09:43] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: all I know is that today, it costs <i> at least&lt;/i&gt; &pound;2 per day to do what we normally do (I pay sort of pay as you go using a meter, so I can tell precisely how much electricity we use and how much it costs), a couple of years back, we could have made that same &pound;2 stretch three days
[10:09:47] <thesprunk>  ROSH10101: True
[10:10:02] <magmanorn>  TheSprunk: :thumb59055957: I really shouldn't have said that though
[10:10:14] <thesprunk>  magmanorn: said what :-?
[10:10:14] <magmanorn>  TheSprunk: Seems that whenever I settle down to chat properly
[10:10:21] <magmanorn>  TheSprunk: Someone needs me to do something
[10:10:24] <thesprunk>  magmanorn: oh
[10:10:30] <thesprunk>  magmanorn: yeah, thats the way it goes :thumb59055957:
[10:10:31] <magmanorn>  And we have lag
[10:10:32] <magmanorn>  again
[10:10:34] <magmanorn>  damm
[10:10:34] <thesprunk>  :rofl:
[10:10:53] <thesprunk>  08:10:19 * Koeryn sits on magmanorn's lap. 08:10:22 &amp;lt;magmanorn&amp;gt; And we have lag
[10:11:28] <thesprunk>  ThunderBoob&lt;abbr title=&quot;ThunderCog&quot;&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;: Is that the bitch that sings &quot;I kissed a girl and liked it&quot; or whatever?
[10:11:32] <thesprunk>  OpalMist: That was ThunderCog, not me :lol:
[10:11:48] <thesprunk>  ThunderBoob&lt;abbr title=&quot;ThunderCog&quot;&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;: Ugh, I hate her :no:
[10:11:54] <thesprunk>  7asoud: :thumb70626905:
[10:12:12] <thesprunk>  7asoud: :noes: :thumb36622752:
[10:12:16] <thesprunk>  lol
[10:12:36] <thesprunk>  7asoud: :thumb64743919: how goes?
[10:12:47] <thesprunk>  ROSH10101: You know anything about cars?
[10:12:49] <sine-out>  Kasperny: draw yourself drawing yourself
[10:13:02] <rosh10101>  TheSprunk: nah i am a noob in that
[10:13:25] <rosh10101>  TheSprunk: only the fact that they run on 4 wheels and something big from inside pushing it for and backward :p
[10:13:29] <thesprunk>  ROSH10101: Ah, well damn. My friend/colleague/associate in crime and i are discussing our seniro uni research project
[10:13:35] <thesprunk>  ROSH10101: :lol:
[10:13:43] <thesprunk>  7asoud: Doin alright. Looking for a new car
[10:13:53] <rosh10101>  TheSprunk: ooh. I know some people into college 4 wheeler projects though
[10:14:11] <thesprunk>  Gadvac: :thumb32937294:
[10:14:19] <thesprunk>  Gadvac: Like that
[10:15:01] <thesprunk>  Gadvac: :thumb32937294: the number corresponsd to the deviation, you can find the code to the right of the artists comments, however, putting thumbs in here is generally looked down upon (in #devart at least)
[10:15:10] <magmanorn>  Koeryn: Lag!
[10:15:16] <thesprunk>  magmanorn: :(
[10:15:18] <magmanorn>  Koeryn: I didn't mean it
[10:15:23] <magmanorn>  Koeryn: :noes:
[10:15:26] <thesprunk>  7asoud: Well. I dunno
[10:15:31] <magmanorn>  Koeryn: Although it was funny. :giggle:
[10:15:55] <thesprunk>  Gadvac: I warned you ...
[10:16:12] <magmanorn>  thederangedone: You want to what?
[10:16:13] <rosh10101>  TheSprunk: there was someone who made a CNG/hydrogen hybrid 1 manned car which uses a 150cc bike engine.
[10:16:14] <thesprunk>  7asoud: my car overheated the other day (long story) so I may just go with a new engine...
[10:16:23] <thesprunk>  ROSH10101: Interesting
[10:16:35] <magmanorn>  thederangedone: Ok
[10:16:48] <thesprunk>  ROSH10101: My research project is a Hydrogen Enhanced Combustion Engine
[10:16:54] <rosh10101>  TheSprunk: yeah well I wouldnt be suprised if inventors use water as a source of fuel like in the old days.
[10:17:00] <rosh10101>  TheSprunk: wow
[10:17:18] <rosh10101>  TheSprunk: that will solve half of the fuel issues easily
[10:17:37] <rosh10101>  TheSprunk: and its more practical than vegetable oil based fuel
[10:17:49] <thesprunk>  ROSH10101: Such an engine would allow a higher compression ratio, reduce knock at those ratios, increase fuel efficiency AND, due to the higher compression ratios, increase power
[10:18:18] <rosh10101>  TheSprunk: maybe a smaller engine
[10:18:19] <thesprunk>  ROSH10101: :nod: someone else was actually trying to tell me i should use vegatble oil instead, &quot;its easier&quot; I was like &amp;avatar	headdeskplz	2
[10:18:33] <thesprunk>  ROSH10101: Hmm i dunno about that
[10:19:01] <rosh10101>  TheSprunk: lol- try removing glycerine takes whole 2 days and you still have to worry about the fact that will there be lots of water in the bi product
[10:19:05] <thesprunk>  OpalMist: its basically lag
[10:19:12] <thesprunk>  ROSH10101: :lol:
[10:19:39] <rosh10101>  TheSprunk: saw it once on discovery. a guy with a car from the 60s. He showed how its separated but its still very time consuming
[10:19:43] <magmanorn>  ThunderCog: You awesome person!
[10:19:46] <magmanorn>  ThunderCog: :lol:
[10:19:58] <magmanorn>  ThunderCog: I wish I could hack my schools computer. :lol:
[10:20:00] <rosh10101>  TheSprunk: maybe small time restaurant might do it but they will still keep a backup source
[10:20:07] <magmanorn>  ThunderCog: But we don't have any. :thumb59055957:
[10:20:08] <thesprunk>  ROSH10101: Well, we're contemplating a number of ways to do this. Or biggest issue is getting a homogenous mixture of gasoline and hydrogen so that we can insure a proper, clean burn
[10:20:23] <thesprunk>  OpalMist: :thumbsup:
[10:20:31] <magmanorn>  thederangedone: My Science CD does that. &amp;gt;&amp;gt; The person narrating sounds like she's saying Orgasms every single time
[10:20:36] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: hydrogen fuels are destined to fail before they get out of the blocks
[10:20:40] <magmanorn>  sneakysnickerz: :crying:
[10:20:51] <thesprunk>  sine-out: Not necessarily
[10:20:57] <magmanorn>  thederangedone: Microograsms can be found everywhere! :thumb59055957:
[10:20:58] <thesprunk>  sine-out: As a <i> source&lt;/i&gt; of power, yes
[10:21:05] <magmanorn>  sneakysnickerz: Why not. :(
[10:21:20] <magmanorn>  ThunderCog: Not available to students
[10:21:23] <rosh10101>  TheSprunk: well- majority of the fuel is wasted in smoke. What will happen if carbon monoxide mixes with hydrogen?
[10:21:28] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: with the way they're being produced they are, it's just not ecologically viable to use them as fuel sources for cars the way they are being made today
[10:21:36] <magmanorn>  ThunderCog: I've a video somewhere regarding my school
[10:21:45] <magmanorn>  sneakysnickerz: I learn stuff on my own. :thumb59055957:
[10:22:01] <thesprunk>  ROSH10101: nothing really.
[10:22:22] <rosh10101>  TheSprunk: maybe gas emitted from the fuel cars can be used by keeping their gaseous state and using another gas to be a catalyst for fuel
[10:22:22] <thesprunk>  sine-out: True, but at one point people said the same thing about oil. And about atomic power
[10:22:44] <rosh10101>  TheSprunk: carbon monoxide should react with something
[10:23:07] <magmanorn>  ThunderCog: :thumb59055957:
[10:23:13] <thesprunk>  sine-out: For example, by utilizaing Plasma regeneration you can effectively seperate hydrogen from just about any hydrocarbon, and possibly many other fuels or chemicals containing hydrogen as well
[10:23:20] <thesprunk>  sine-out: There's also the bacterium method
[10:24:00] <magmanorn>  ThunderCog: Let me show you mah previous school http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boyqRBlRGAY
[10:24:03] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: I doubt it, but even if they did, the only sources of Hydrogen on Earth is in the form of water, which is awesome, because we have quite a considerable amount of that, the issue is cracking that water into Hydrogen requires more energy than you get out of that hydrogen, in other words, a Hydrogen fuelled car is more polluting, ultimately, than one fuelled with Petrol
[10:24:42] <thesprunk>  sine-out: It's a relatively new tech, but promising. Electrolysis is still a promosing alternative, because if you mate an electrolysis system with the power grid, suppliment it with solar energy, you can get near pure (depending on your catalyst/water) hydrogen and oxygen gas
[10:25:57] <thesprunk>  sine-out: That very well may be true, even if we can't find a way to reduce the Power in:Power out ratio for hydrogen fuel below 1:1, it is still highly viable as all electric engines aren't necessarily efficient/powerful/practical
[10:27:16] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: I mean, don't get me wrong, there are technologies, like the ones you mentioned, that may offer a better solution, but Hydrogen power just doesn't have the traction to work, Electrolysis is the only way, that I know of, to crack water into Hydrogen and Oxygen, leeching off the grid is the last thing you want to do, even if you try to offset it with renewables, it will never be as efficient as simply putting a solar panel on a car in the first place, for example, since you're converting the energy into a different form, and since no conversion process is 100% efficient, you're going to get less out of Hydrogen than you are out of other option
[10:27:18] <thesprunk>  sine-out: I agree with you though, we've already extensively researched the prospect that Hydrogen isn't (currently) a viable source of power, however, it is a viable source of potential storage, much like a liquid battery.
[10:27:46] <thesprunk>  sine-out: That's because your sense of &quot;efficient&quot; is flawed
[10:28:03] <thesprunk>  sine-out: Well, kind of. That was worded poorly. It's more like less practical
[10:28:13] <sine-out>  ThunderCog: yeah, there wasn't, I do that some times :bucktooth:
[10:29:10] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: efficiency, in the sense that I use it, is how much of the input energy is converted into output energy. converting grid power to hydrogen is woefully inefficient
[10:29:13] <thesprunk>  sine-out: A solar powered car is efficient in erms of Total Power in in the entire system and Total power out. However, take into consideration the excessive weight of electrical engines, how you're going to power the car at night, the general lack of area of a solar panel to properly power a car, and the weight of solid batteries, and suddenly becomes a lot less efficent
[10:29:44] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: I was just using Solar Panels as an example, I know full well that it's not any better
[10:30:05] <thesprunk>  sine-out: the problem is, there is nothing anywhere near as promising as hydrogen is
[10:30:49] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: in the short term, may be, but I still hold that Hydrogen powered vehicles will not last nearly as long as ones powered by Fossil Fuels
[10:30:50] <magmanorn>  ThunderCog: Are you watching?
[10:30:54] <magmanorn>  ThunderCog: The video?
[10:30:54] <thesprunk>  sine-out: Especialyl when you take the ideas of business models, resistancy to change, etc. Using our current infrastructure we could easily implement hydrogen powered vehicles
[10:31:09] <thesprunk>  sine-out: I disagree
[10:31:19] <magmanorn>  ThunderCog: Oh wait
[10:31:24] <magmanorn>  ThunderCog: It's in Malaysia
[10:31:38] <sine-out>  easywhisper: if we are made in his image, then he is all things that we are
[10:31:39] <magmanorn>  ThunderCog: I was in 5S1. Supposed best science class
[10:32:10] <magmanorn>  ThunderCog: But as you can see. :lol: We're pretty rowdy
[10:32:16] <thesprunk>  sine-out: And by proving that we can use hydrogen as a fuel, people investing resources into using hydrogen as a power source suddenly makes a lot more sense
[10:32:19] <sine-out>  easywhisper: but if we are made in his image, then he is like us :bucktooth:
[10:33:12] <thesprunk>  sine-out: Basically what I'm getting at is that we already have a lot of the technology to use hydrogen as a fuel, and compared to other alternatives that we have at the moment, including those in research or development that show any practical promise of coming about in the next 2 or 3 decades, hydrogen is our best choice
[10:33:41] <magmanorn>  ThunderCog: :thumb59055957: Do I sound like a guy?
[10:33:46] <magmanorn>  ThunderCog: I heard that my accent was horrible
[10:33:50] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: in the short term, of course it does, as you mentioned, the infrastructure is largely there to deal with it, but, unlike oil based fuels, capturing Hydrogen is currently a loss leading market in terms of producing energy
[10:33:56] <thesprunk>  sine-out: You can convert a current octane fueled ICE to hydrogen powered relatively easily, and many advances in Hydrogen storage it's comparably safe as well
[10:34:30] <thesprunk>  sine-out: Again, disagreed. This is much like the argument that Ethanol and &quot;crop fuels&quot; are bad because it depletes our food supply
[10:34:34] <sine-out>  Koeryn: aww, but it's fun :(
[10:34:35] <magmanorn>  ThunderCog: I'll upload a voice clip somewhere. =P
[10:36:14] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: I'm simply point out the inefficiencies of it all, unless this Hydrogen is being used in Fusion reactors, it's ultimately a huge loss leader with the current conversion/cracking technologies currently available, I accept, this can and likely will change, but, at present, it's not as viable as any other alternative energy source for vehicles
[10:36:46] <magmanorn>  ThunderCog: I either sound like I'm on speed or I&quot;m crazy
[10:37:03] <thesprunk>  sine-out: Conjoining the process of electrolysis (admittedly the least efficient method we have) with desalination (sp?) you solve many efficiency problems. A) the Desalination center no becomes a power source of sorts and B) you odnt have to rely upon already purified and treated water (a process that indirectly takes a fair amount of energy, not to mention other resources and drains from the food chain)
[10:37:32] <thesprunk>  sine-out: C) we're enabled to use the most abundandt source of water we have on this planet as well
[10:38:15] <thesprunk>  sine-out: Part of that is because people don't factor in the added power that oxygen can provide in a hydrogen fueled combustion engine
[10:38:37] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: I had actually factored that in :bucktooth:
[10:39:13] <thesprunk>  sine-out: Also, consider this
[10:40:20] <thesprunk>  sine-out: Generally speaking the Power in:power out ratio of an electrolysis system is generally 1.5:1 at worst (and again, this is the LEAST efficient system available for obtaining hydrogen)
[10:41:08] <thesprunk>  sine-out: Then consider that its far more efficient for hydrocarbons to be used as a source of energy in the large power plants than in the &quot;mobile&quot; power plants of cars; the engine
[10:41:24] <sine-out>  easywhisper: there's two defined standards for animated PNG's, it's possible, but it's just easier to make an animated GIF, at least that way, you know it works
[10:41:28] <magmanorn>  easywhisper: I thought you make gif images. &amp;gt;&amp;gt;
[10:41:31] <thesprunk>  sine-out: Then consider how much easier it would be to supplant those larger power plants with non hydrocarbon alternatives
[10:41:36] <magmanorn>  easywhisper: I make gifs in Image Ready
[10:42:31] <sine-out>  easywhisper: I don't know, I've never really tried, naturally you have to have software that supports output to MNG or APNG formats
[10:43:09] <magmanorn>  ThunderCog: My uploader is being stupid &amp;gt;&amp;gt;
[10:43:32] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: if it were so easy to supplant the current hydrocarbon based power plants with ones that don't use Hydrocarbons, it would have been done a long time ago
[10:43:43] <thesprunk>  sine-out: Not true.
[10:43:54] <thesprunk>  sine-out: In a perfect world, yes
[10:44:22] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: I see where you're going with it, if enough of the current hydrocarbon based power stations were replaced, it'd make hydrogen fuelled cars a lot more feasible
[10:44:27] <thesprunk>  sine-out: But these renewable technologies hadnt really been invested in since recently, and if you want to get technical these renewable sources <i> were&lt;/i&gt; around before hydrocarbons
[10:44:44] <magmanorn>  TheSprunk: What happened to Grinnotard anyway?
[10:45:06] <thesprunk>  sine-out: Then consider the business aspect of it all. With OPEC and governments and taxes and what not, despite having better alternatives, we're entrenched in our current system because its highly profitable
[10:45:34] <thesprunk>  sine-out: that and a change of infrastructure is highly costly, and a lot of people ahve the &quot;if it aint broke dont fix it&quot; mentallity
[10:45:53] <thesprunk>  sine-out: That's a good part of the argument. Yes.
[10:46:04] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: but, as you mentioned, renewables haven't been invested heavily in (and nuclear power is hardly going to get that much investment either), which makes Hydrogen powered cars worse for the environment than petrol cars, because they are just not going to replace power stations with 'renewable' power stations because of the utopian idea that we can have cars that fart environmentally friendly green rainbows
[10:47:16] <thesprunk>  sine-out: I'm not saying the hydrocarbon power plants would be replaced with renewables ones because our cars would be Hydrogen powered. In fact you bring up a good point that the university i proposed this to missed, such a scenario would actually work against replacing the power stations with renewable alternatives
[10:48:22] <thesprunk>  sine-out: I'm pointing out that such a movement is coming into full swing, It's becoming economical, and whether the current people of power like it or not, its the way of the future due to the principles behind it. Renewable Clean energy is for more abundandt than oil, It's also becoming quite profitable, and is becoming ever more profitable
[10:48:48] <thesprunk>  sine-out: Far from its peak, but its really picking up steam, excuse the pun :P
[10:51:31] <thesprunk>  sine-out: I think we've strayed a bit from our core argument here. I'm looking at building a Hydrogen-Enhanced Combustion system. By showing that hydrogen is an effective, clean, and efficient fuel with potential in already existing infrastructures, then those people investing in ways to &quot;harvest&quot; hydrogen well suddenly have a lot more merit
[10:51:38] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: it's economical to be 'green', it's currently more economical to increase efficiency than it is to convert to renewable fuel sources, switching of your lights is more efficient than building a solar array, it's cheaper to make petrol cars do more miles to the gallon than it is to make them use alternative fuels, you point out that we are entrenched, and we quite rightly are, as a result, instead of trying to climb out of it, we increase efficiency, so we, in theory, use less of it, we will only climb out of the pit when we have absolutely no choice in the matter (or that laws are passed telling us to)
[10:52:01] <sine-out>  KristenSpork: :bucktooth:
[10:52:45] <thesprunk>  sine-out: Reducing Power use is more efficient than changing sources of energy anyway. Changing power sources, really, in essence, isn't efficient in terms of just power-in:power-out. But once you start considering Money-in:Power-out the tables turn.
[10:52:57] <magmanorn>  ThunderCog: http://www.4shared.com/account/dir/5128091/9cc826d1/sharing.html?rnd=42 It's the one labeled JpnCall
[10:53:10] <thesprunk>  magmanorn: :thumb59055957: what of grinnocent?
[10:53:22] <magmanorn>  TheSprunk: :thumb59055957:
[10:53:29] <magmanorn>  ThunderCog: :')
[10:53:35] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: at present, the money in money out equation is such that it's easier to increase efficiencies than it is to think of different power sources, or, at least work on proactively using them
[10:53:46] <thesprunk>  sine-out: And thats what im doing
[10:54:18] <codeboy>  :sing: how will ever... get by without her... she had her moments she had some style, the best show in town was the crowd outside the casa rosada crying eva per&oacute;n :sing:
[10:54:18] <magmanorn>  jdhforever: I can for about two minutes :')
[10:54:34] <thesprunk>  sine-out: A hydrogen enhanced Combustion system will significantly enhance the parameters in which the standard octane ICE can operate under, allowing for a significant increase in both Power output, and mileage
[10:54:36] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: at your end, creating a hydrogen assisted combustion engine would be more efficient, since hydrogen creates quite a bang, my point was that, on the other side it's less efficient
[10:55:10] <codeboy>  sine-out: hmm how is it less efficient?
[10:55:13] <magmanorn>  Kasperny: Please don't link your own page
[10:55:21] <magmanorn>  jdhforever: I'm in Malaysia. :thumb59055957:
[10:55:28] <codeboy>  sine-out: and less efficient than what? XD
[10:55:30] <magmanorn>  jdhforever: Yesh
[10:55:35] <magmanorn>  jdhforever: I come here whenever I can
[10:55:55] <magmanorn>  Kasperny: Even then. &amp;gt;&amp;gt; It's not allowed
[10:56:00] <magmanorn>  jdhforever: Yes. You?
[10:56:15] <thesprunk>  sine-out: We expect our current engine, a 5.4L V12 standard Octane powered engine that produces approximately 350 ft-lbs of torque to get a 30-40% increase in gas efficiency, while adding an additional ~150 ft-lbs to the system while using relatively little hydrogen.
[10:56:25] <sine-out>  codeboy: the engine will be more efficient, because, well, it just will, hydrogen bangs louder and hotter than most other fuel sources, it's less efficient on the other side, because it requires a lot of energy to actually crack/convert that sources of that hydrogen into, well, hydrogen
[10:56:26] <magmanorn>  jdhforever: If you're interested sometimes I am in TheChineseRoom
[10:56:40] <magmanorn>  easywhisper: :lol:
[10:56:48] <magmanorn>  jdhforever: Are you still in school?
[10:57:04] <codeboy>  sine-out: :bucktooth: ah you're looking at both sides of the system... :)
[10:57:11] <magmanorn>  jdhforever: I'm still in school. :) Studying the equivalent of A levels
[10:57:18] <thesprunk>  sine-out: The idea isn't so much that hydrogen makes a bigger bang, thus more efficiency. In fact, that's not it at all. by adding hydrogen into the mix we can allow much higher compression ratios, which results in significant increase in efficiency
[10:57:26] <codeboy>  sine-out: most ppl only tend to look at the usage and not on how to acquire it XD
[10:57:26] <magmanorn>  jdhforever: try this type mag and press tab
[10:57:46] <thesprunk>  sine-out: Hydrogen, as an bonus, just happens to also be quite combustable, further adding to the power of the system
[10:57:57] <codeboy>  TheSprunk: erm... hydrogen really just bangs harder than normal gasoline :bucktooth:
[10:58:07] <magmanorn>  sneakysnickerz: :O Why the random fact?
[10:58:09] <magmanorn>  ThunderCog: :glomp:
[10:58:13] <magmanorn>  ThunderCog: FIRST GLOMP
[10:58:15] <codeboy>  OpalMist: :eyes:
[10:58:20] <thesprunk>  codeboy: That's true as well, but thats not why its more efficient
[10:58:28] <sine-out>  codeboy: well, it does, but that's only useful on the downstroke, you have to have good compression to make it easier on the upstroke
[10:58:35] <codeboy>  OpalMist: there's 60% water in me atleast so it means I bang quite hard too oh yeah :boogie:
[10:58:36] <thesprunk>  codeboy: not completely, because there's still far more octane in the system than hydrogen
[10:58:47] <sine-out>  KristenSpork: not really
[10:58:53] <codeboy>  TheSprunk: :thumb50293148:
[10:58:56] <thesprunk>  codeboy: so that extra bang/buck of hydrogen is largely negated by the relative little lack of bang its able to produce
[10:58:59] <magmanorn>  sneakysnickerz: Where?
[10:59:02] <magmanorn>  sneakysnickerz: I didn't know that
[10:59:06] <magmanorn>  sneakysnickerz: I'm lagging!
[10:59:08] <magmanorn>  sneakysnickerz: I blame you
[10:59:13] <magmanorn>  jdhforever: Sorry
[10:59:26] <codeboy>  TheSprunk: I want a car that runs on banana's like in the third installment of back to the future :bucktooth:
[10:59:42] <magmanorn>  sneakysnickerz: Repost!
[10:59:45] <magmanorn>  sneakysnickerz: I can't scroll up
[10:59:49] <magmanorn>  sneakysnickerz: Or I'll lag
[10:59:55] <magmanorn>  sneakysnickerz: Might be adhoc but now I don't care.
[11:00:51] <thesprunk>  sine-out: So when considering the additional power increase (admittedly 350ft-lbs is excessive, but this can be applied to any size engine, so bear with me here), and the increase of fuelefficiency (each at 40% increase over normal), and relative little amount of hydrogen necessary (which means less hydrogen has to be produced)
[11:01:24] <magmanorn>  sneakysnickerz: :lol: That's because Malaysia is made of three main races. Malays, Chinese and Indians
[11:01:46] <magmanorn>  sneakysnickerz: I was pleasantly surprised. Most people just go. You're Malay!
[11:02:40] <magmanorn>  Gadvac: :hmm:
[11:02:41] <codeboy>  TheSprunk: so technically you're saying you increase overal efficiency using less oil and less hydrogen...
[11:02:44] <codeboy>  TheSprunk: correct?
[11:02:55] <codeboy>  TheSprunk: oil = gasoline
[11:02:57] <codeboy>  TheSprunk: XD
[11:03:10] <thesprunk>  codeboy: uhm, kinda
[11:03:28] <codeboy>  TheSprunk: :thumb50293148: I'm all for electric cars anyway
[11:03:30] <codeboy>  TheSprunk: ;)
[11:03:37] <thesprunk>  codeboy: less gas than the current system, and less hydrogen than an all hydrogen engine, ys
[11:03:46] <thesprunk>  codeboy: I'm not. They're highly inefficient
[11:03:52] <magmanorn>  I should copy pasta this whole discussion
[11:03:53] <codeboy>  TheSprunk: they are not :bucktooth:
[11:03:54] <sine-out>  codeboy: batteries are even worse than purely hydrogen fuelled cars :bucktooth:
[11:04:00] <codeboy>  sine-out: :shh:
[11:04:09] <thesprunk>  sine-out: Exactly
[11:04:18] <magmanorn>  TheSprunk: Can you copy paste and send me a log of your conversation about fuel?
[11:04:25] <thesprunk>  sine-out: Im not sure i ever pointed that out as we kept bringing up new posts
[11:04:29] <codeboy>  sine-out: well if you use a gasoline fueled car to make electricity and send that to electric motors to run your car...
[11:04:35] <thesprunk>  magmanorn: uh, sure
[11:04:41] <magmanorn>  TheSprunk: :thumb59055957: thanks.
[11:04:42] <codeboy>  sine-out: that's more effecient than purely gasoline or electic cars
[11:04:44] <codeboy>  sine-out: :bucktooth:
[11:04:55] <codeboy>  sine-out: &amp;gt;.&amp;gt; my spelling is failing me :noes:
[11:05:19] <sine-out>  codeboy: you're converting energy into a different form and then applying it to the motors, which is less efficient than running a motor and directly connecting the wheels to that motor
[11:05:21] <thesprunk>  sine-out: Hydrogen has a comparitively high Power/Weight (derived from standard Power/Density) than pretty much any other alternative
[11:05:36] <thesprunk>  sine-out: including (i believe) pump fuel
[11:05:41] <codeboy>  sine-out: you're forgetting one thing ;)
[11:05:59] <magmanorn>  sine-out: I'd like to have your log of the Fuel debate too if you don't mind. :)
[11:06:03] <codeboy>  sine-out: you'll lose a lot of efficiency cause the engine has to put force on the wheels to go forward
[11:06:13] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: that's greatly offset if not completely removed by how inefficient it is to actually get that hydrogen in the first place
[11:06:15] <codeboy>  sine-out: if you take that away the engine will run more efficiently
[11:06:21] <thesprunk>  sine-out: And in cars, weight is a BIG factor in efficiency, so to use your example of &quot;turning of the lights is more efficent&quot; by using hydrogen, we're essentially able to &quot;turn off some lights&quot; (by reducing weight) to aid in efficiency
[11:06:27] <codeboy>  easywhisper: :shh:
[11:06:31] <codeboy>  easywhisper: ;)
[11:06:49] <thesprunk>  sine-out: Well, thats another thing. We've been talking about electrolysis. Just plain and simple hydrolysis
[11:06:49] <thesprunk>  err
[11:06:52] <thesprunk>  electrolysis
[11:06:55] <magmanorn>  ThunderCog: You are in school
[11:07:00] <magmanorn>  ThunderCog: Deviant school
[11:07:11] <magmanorn>  ThunderCog: This whole site is supposed to be a school
[11:07:16] <magmanorn>  Life is a school
[11:07:19] <magmanorn>  ...
[11:07:23] <magmanorn>  The-Imperfectionist:
[11:07:32] <magmanorn>  The-Imperfectionist: &amp;gt;&amp;gt; We think a like
[11:07:41] <magmanorn>  KristenSpork: Then go!
[11:07:44] <thesprunk>  sine-out: There's other more efficient methods of harvesting hydrogen
[11:07:59] <thesprunk>  sine-out: ones that actually result in a significant net increase of power
[11:08:06] <thesprunk>  sine-out: hold on a sec, lemme copy all this for magmanorn
[11:08:23] <thesprunk>  fuck
[11:08:31] <thesprunk>  backspace failed :crying:
[11:08:38] <thesprunk>  magmanorn: :(
[11:08:42] <codeboy>  sine-out: if I'm not mistaking the japanese already built a car with that system &amp;gt;.&amp;gt; or it could some other ugh...
[11:08:43] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: worry not, I can get the log
[11:08:46] <thesprunk>  god that was dumb :thumb67023595:
[11:08:49] <thesprunk>  sine-out: oh, cool
[11:08:52] <magmanorn>  TheSprunk: D:
[11:09:08] <codeboy>  TheSprunk: :rofl:
[11:09:12] <magmanorn>  easywhisper: Magma norn
[11:09:16] <magmanorn>  Marmarmarmar
[11:09:38] <magmanorn>  easywhisper: norn
[11:09:44] <magmanorn>  easywhisper: Can't remember what it measn
[11:09:50] <sine-out>  codeboy: there are cars that are dual powered, but it's still less efficient to use a motor to charge a battery to then power electric motors, you're basically just shifting where the work is being applied, and you're converting the energy into a different form before applying it <i> and&lt;/i&gt; you're using batteries
[11:09:59] <thesprunk>  sine-out: :lol: cool. I'd like a copy too if possible. This is after all part of my college senior project :)
[11:10:19] <thesprunk>  sine-out: highly inefficient to do that, yes
[11:10:37] <codeboy>  sine-out: hmm :plotting:
[11:10:45] <magmanorn>  Think about it
[11:10:47] <magmanorn>  this is a site
[11:10:47] <codeboy>  sine-out: it works so well in my head :noes:
[11:10:49] <magmanorn>  in which
[11:10:49] <codeboy>  sine-out: ;)
[11:10:55] <magmanorn>  we encourage people to use English properly
[11:11:00] <thesprunk>  Koeryn: :nod: like me. I went to copy our discussion and hit the button on my mouse programed to &quot;back&quot; so it cleared the caht :(
[11:11:01] <sine-out>  codeboy: trust me, Batteries are the absolute worse thing you can do from an efficiency point of view :bucktooth:
[11:11:02] <magmanorn>  We have lolworthy conversations
[11:11:08] <codeboy>  magmanorn: really? :thumb45720634:
[11:11:08] <gulivar>  :burp:
[11:11:12] <gulivar>  So.
[11:11:14] <codeboy>  Gullible&lt;abbr title=&quot;Gulivar&quot;&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;: :D
[11:11:14] <magmanorn>  teaching people how not to take life so seriously
[11:11:18] <gulivar>  I found something HILARIOUS.
[11:11:22] <magmanorn>  and then we have the mods who make sure we follow rules
[11:11:23] <gulivar>  Just now.
[11:11:24] <codeboy>  sine-out: :thumb50293148:
[11:11:28] <gulivar>  Also:
[11:11:33] <gulivar>  codeboy: &amp;lt;3 KristenSpork
[11:11:41] <codeboy>  sine-out: oh yeah batteries are like a big leak in the electricity system XD
[11:11:45] <magmanorn>  Now and then, just like school, we learn something when a person comes a long and gives contrsutive advice
[11:11:51] <codeboy>  sine-out: forgot bout that for a sec
[11:11:53] <codeboy>  sine-out: but still
[11:12:05] <codeboy>  sine-out: you're not completely dependend on the batteries
[11:12:07] <magmanorn>  of course like schools so many people resort to learning on their own because awesome teachers are few and far in between
[11:12:08] <gulivar>  OpalMist: http://freecamdance.com
[11:12:12] <sine-out>  codeboy: it's not so much a leak, it's just that batteries require a lot of power to charge
[11:12:13] <magmanorn>  :thumb59055957:
[11:12:20] <magmanorn>  I love school
[11:12:21] <codeboy>  sine-out: oh
[11:12:25] <codeboy>  sine-out: hmm
[11:12:53] <codeboy>  Lixa123: then make one :bucktooth:
[11:12:58] <thesprunk>  sine-out: Anyway, like i've been trying to explain this whole time. Is this. Our engine we're using is a 5.4L V12 producing 350ftlbs of torque (at the crank, approx, stock on pump octaine) and in the 750il it came from got 13/20mpg
[11:13:05] <gulivar>  :(
[11:13:11] <gulivar>  I'm late with everything.
[11:13:18] <gulivar>  I only just discovered it today.
[11:13:20] <gulivar>  :(
[11:13:31] <gulivar>  I lolled pretty hard though.
[11:13:41] <thesprunk>  sine-out: With our proposed system it would get ore to the tune of 20/30, not factoring in the efficiency advantages of producing 40% more torque
[11:13:43] <gulivar>  No ThunderCog.
[11:13:47] <codeboy>  Lixa123: &amp;gt;.&amp;gt; there are tutorials and DIY versions of just about anything
[11:13:54] <gulivar>  It's Sunday.
[11:13:58] <codeboy>  Lixa123: just learn to use google and it might deliver ;)
[11:14:08] <thesprunk>  sine-out: And remember this is a 4500lb car
[11:14:25] <thesprunk>  sine-out: so the engine itself, octaine, isnt that inefficient, its the system its in
[11:15:27] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: yeah, don't get me wrong, hydrogen power assisted cars may end up being more efficient than current petrol/diesel powered ones, in the grand scheme of things, it won't be that much more efficient, what will be most noticeable is that there will be less nasty stuff come out of the exhaust pipes
[11:15:43] <gulivar>  KristenSpork: Lulz.
[11:15:46] <gulivar>  Not as funny though.
[11:17:13] <codeboy>  Gullible&lt;abbr title=&quot;Gulivar&quot;&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;: lol :D
[11:17:17] <codeboy>  Gullible&lt;abbr title=&quot;Gulivar&quot;&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;: thnx for the link ;)
[11:17:37] <gulivar>  codeboy: :aww:
[11:17:43] <gulivar>  KristenSpork: Cool.
[11:17:51] <thesprunk>  sine-out: Actually they could be. There's a lot of things we havent researched yet and may be able to further increase the efficiency, and are you seriously trying to tell me a 40% increase of fuel efficiency with a concurrent 40% increase in power production isn't significant?
[11:17:58] <gulivar>  No no...
[11:18:03] <codeboy>  sine-out: oil companies don't like it when cars use less oil :bucktooth:
[11:18:33] <codeboy>  sine-out: I doubt that engines will become more efficient over time though... they all like to cling to oil drinking powerfarts of engines :nod:
[11:19:25] <sine-out>  codeboy: he says while cars have been getting more efficient by the year :bucktooth:
[11:19:37] <codeboy>  sine-out: well okay but &amp;gt;.&amp;gt;
[11:19:45] <thesprunk>  sine-out: With a basic system (one we arent doing because its kinda already been done, but one we've thorouoghly considered as we had to take it into accoutn when proposing this project to the university) you'd have an electrolysis machine, fueled by water from the water line, a solar panel and (if necessary) power from the grid. It would fill up O2 and H2 tanks, which you could then use to fill the car. With the fuel efficiency increase alone you could achieve the same range as jsut octaine powered (300mi on 20gals at 15mpg) with 12 gallons of gas
[11:19:51] <codeboy>  sine-out: in the end they still use the same amount due to extra's like airco :thumb45720634:
[11:19:52] <gulivar>  We've got loads of hydrogen busses. :slow:
[11:20:09] <codeboy>  sine-out: so basically we're like standing still usage wise ;)
[11:20:50] <codeboy>  sine-out: anyway &amp;lt;.&amp;lt; you're prolly right :bucktooth: I'm gonna go downstairs 'n listen to a cd while waiting for the damn internet guy to arrive :thumb71580244:
[11:21:13] <gulivar>  :o
[11:21:23] <codeboy>  sine-out: oh btw... greenpeace did a lecture bout that comparing the old and the new beetle &amp;gt;.&amp;gt;
[11:21:27] <sine-out>  codeboy: no, we are getting better, and, naturally, advances like hybrid fuels will make things better, the crucial thing is making sure those hybrid fuels don't come at the cost of poor efficiency on the capture and processing side
[11:21:49] <thesprunk>  sine-out: You'd put about USD$2 ($10 without the solar panel, max, including the water costs) into getting the h2&amp;amp;O2 (about 1 Gallon at STP), and reduce your fuel costs at USD$3/gal (cheap by most peoples standards) from $60 to $36
[11:22:12] <codeboy>  sine-out: stating that both used the same amount of gasoline &amp;gt;.&amp;gt;
[11:22:18] <codeboy>  sine-out: anyway :thumb50293148: I'm off now xD
[11:23:06] <thesprunk>  sine-out: your Power in Power out Ratio would be roughly 1:1 by comparison, again without factoring in the fuel efficiency advantage of the increased power available, and these are conservative numbers
[11:23:25] <thesprunk>  sine-out: Using a far less efficient method of hydrogen harvesting than we intend
[11:25:04] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: that is, of course, assuming that the maths is correct, it probably is, but the real world doesn't necessarily have the mathematical precision we all would want, it would probably offer a minor overall efficiency advantage (in terms of 'The Big Picture'), but I doubt it's something that would be taken up commercially until other forms of efficiency improvements are pushed as far as they can go
[11:25:06] <thesprunk>  sine-out: The electrolysis option is great because of its practicallity. People could refuel with hydrogen in their own homes. Or more likely Gas stations could produce it on site. Meaning pretty much no delivery costs, and they could easily charge a premium without negating the end user monetary savings to cover they're costs
[11:25:15] <thesprunk>  sine-out: Very true.
[11:26:13] <thesprunk>  sine-out: Well, the thing I've been leaving out, is that there's 2 far more efficient methods of extracting hydrogen than hydrolysis that are practical in this scenario
[11:26:23] <magmanorn>  I need to wipe it off my face
[11:26:23] <thesprunk>  magmanorn: ;)
[11:26:26] <magmanorn>  help!
[11:26:31] <thesprunk>  magmanorn: :spank:
[11:26:59] <thesprunk>  sine-out: argh, electrolysis* :thumb67023595: dont know why i keep wanting to say hydrolysis :lol:
[11:27:09] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: there are, and there likely will be even better ones coming, the point is that that would require investment, when improving what we have seems to be the easiest schtick that the companies are going for :bucktooth:
[11:27:31] <thesprunk>  sine-out: True, but this way only one end of the system has to be redone
[11:27:40] <thesprunk>  sine-out: whereas without hydrogen, it'd be both ends
[11:28:03] <thesprunk>  sine-out: The big thing is, you've gotta think of hydrogen as a form of power storage, not a source.
[11:28:27] <magmanorn>  TheSprunk: :noes:
[11:28:36] <magmanorn>  TheSprunk: Pervier smirk appears!
[11:28:41] <thesprunk>  sine-out: As long as its 1:1 it's still better than oil, because the price of oil will continue to rise, not to mention the environmental effects
[11:28:42] <magmanorn>  Gadvac: What?
[11:28:44] <thesprunk>  magmanorn: :p
[11:28:49] <thesprunk>  ThunderBoob&lt;abbr title=&quot;ThunderCog&quot;&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;: :thumb105860637:
[11:29:31] <thesprunk>  sine-out: And dont forget, again, that it's cool to invest in green right now. People <i> want&lt;/i&gt; to do it. Cause they want to be part of that technology that gets adopted
[11:29:37] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: it would have to be economically viable for them to consider it, and making cars that do more miles on just fuel alone is better for you anyway, since the effect of making hydrogen hybrid fuels would result in a greater increase in efficiency, which is probably what they want too (you can hardly expect them to have not thought of hydrogen enrichment, right?)
[11:29:45] <gulivar>  KristenSpork: Wimp.
[11:29:51] <thesprunk>  sine-out: So its not like people are like &quot;What, you mean it'll <i> cost&lt;/i&gt; money? fuck that&quot;
[11:30:19] <gulivar>  KristenSpork: Lot's of damage?
[11:30:23] <gulivar>  *Lots.
[11:30:46] <thesprunk>  sine-out: They've thought of it yes. but they havent invested a whole lot in it yet, because, as you've said many a time. Hydrogen harvesting isn't that economical
[11:30:54] <thesprunk>  sine-out: However, there's many ways to make it economical
[11:31:12] <gulivar>  KristenSpork: Walk?
[11:32:16] <gulivar>  It's always cold.
[11:32:22] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: I know, I am fully aware that there are and will be better ways of capturing hydrogen, I've not denied that fact :bucktooth:
[11:32:27] <thesprunk>  sine-out: Two big ones is using genetically programmed bacterium to chemically seperate the two. This requires almost no energy in (directly) considering the appropriate climate. and Plasma regeneration
[11:32:30] <gulivar>  KristenSpork: Neurotic woman.
[11:33:13] <thesprunk>  sine-out: Plasma regeneration basically causes combustion without ignition (as a result of the high energy state of plasma)
[11:33:35] <gulivar>  KristenSpork: Not you, I mean your teacher, deary. :lol:
[11:33:56] <thesprunk>  sine-out: So it seperates the two. I'm not aware of specific efficiencies, but it's being touted as significantly more efficient (and compact/portable) than electrolysis
[11:34:19] <thesprunk>  sine-out: Plasma Regeneration would probably be used in on demand cases, when hydrogen is needed in relatively small quantities on the fly
[11:35:32] <thesprunk>  sine-out: There is also the idea that a sudden large demand for hydrogen would result in a strain on our water economy, which, by using sea water and either electrolysis or the bacterium method, would pretty much negate that argument
[11:35:41] <gulivar>  KristenSpork: I know the feeling.
[11:36:00] <thesprunk>  Wizard-Kgalm: :thumb32937294:
[11:36:04] <sine-out>  TheSprunk: I never held that argument anyway, in fact, I specifically stated that we have a large supply of water that we could use :bucktooth:
[11:37:05] <gulivar>  KristenSpork: Everyone copes differently.
[11:37:27] <thesprunk>  sine-out: We have a large supply of water total, our supply of drinkable water is dwindling as they're having trouble desalinating the ocean water at a rate fast enough to keep up with population growth and the rapid development of once 3rd world nations
[11:37:56] <thesprunk>  ThunderBoob&lt;abbr title=&quot;ThunderCog&quot;&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;: Shader rape :(
[11:39:09] <thesprunk>  ColdCrimsonBlood: Less caffiene
[11:39:28] <thesprunk>  ChimeraBoob&lt;abbr title=&quot;Jeaneai&quot;&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;: :thumb37300831:
[11:39:32] <gulivar>  KristenSpork: I know that it happened to me at the beginning and around the middle of my tenure.
[11:39:34] <thesprunk>  ChimeraBoob&lt;abbr title=&quot;Jeaneai&quot;&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;: you :#1:
[11:39:49] <thesprunk>  chimeraboob? :rofl:
[11:39:52] <thesprunk>  diamond281: :thumb70626905:
[11:40:15] <thesprunk>  diamond281: Mine?